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1 year 8 months ago - 1 year 8 months ago #5069 by Miguel
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1 year 8 months ago #5080 by Ramon Llupart
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Admin wrote: Race length changed to 40 minutes due to "on the edge" fuel consumption in Porsche 935. Comparing Manfeild and Anderstorp it would be a threat for 935 to make one stop race as the only car on grid. BMW, Toyo and Ford need less fuel and can race 45 minutes at the limit with safe margin.

40 minute race is safe for 935 too. I hope you understand it.


I'm sorry but I disagree to this. Everyone knows the faster car is the 935, so the rest of the cars and particularly the Capri and the Celica levels the lack of speed using less fuel than the 935.
If the lenght of the race is reduced to allow the 935 to not make a pitstop, the rest of the cars lose their fuel consumption advantage and makes no sense to take the Celica, for example, because we are going to lose time on track and we will not have a chance to gain it back. :side:

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1 year 8 months ago #5081 by Admin
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I agree with your opinion if Capri and Toyota would be at least 1 s. slower than BMW and Porsche. They are not. Today's race laptimes proved Toyo and Capri are (if they are in fact, because one driver should test it all to make a good compare) only 0.5 to 0.8 s. slower which makes them sure winners if 935 and M1 had to make one stop for short refuelling on track like Manfeild with only 40 kph pitlane speed.

Of course, there is a flipside of the story. 45 minutes races would be better if Capri and Toyo are little slower and 935 and M1 would be on the edge with fuel - faster cars should be forced to little slow down to save fuel and it would be a perfect combination for this series.

Hard times with DRM Trophy but if we will make a key to run this series, it will be easier in the future. Let's test it next week.

I'm releasing fixed setup online. Now it's new impression.
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1 year 8 months ago - 1 year 8 months ago #5083 by Murat Ozsarac
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Guys I have a different suggestion regarding race length before the series begin. Why don't we increase the race duration instead reducing it and force everyone a pit-stop? 60 minutes feel just about perfect to me. I have several reasons for making this request.

1- I can feel most of you having a blast racing these machines unlike me so why not spend more time racing then?

2- To bring tire management and race strategy into play like profi races. I made a quick offline test race to see how pitstops go and I found out changing both front and rear tires take 41 seconds while changing only front tires take 27 seconds. The aggressive drift driving style has to pay the price by changing all 4 wheels, +14 seconds of pit-box time sounds ok to me. On the other hand, pit limit on race session is 80kmph which is safely doable without penalties imo (not tested the other 2 tracks yet).

3- We know weight penalties will be applied beginning from the 2nd Rd. As an experienced boy, I can assure you races will be inch close and battles will take much longer if things go according to plans. We all know decently made overtakings take some serious time and is not an easy task when paces are identical. Which means we will need more racing time.
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1 year 8 months ago #5086 by Admin
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It's a good idea which makes DRM series more interesting, but then the pitstop will be sure - if Toyo and Capri are slightly slower cars, then their "fuel advantage" will be cancelled. Anyway, please write your opinions about 1 h race. I'm personally for it, but then I will increase pitlane speed limit to 300 kph to avoid potential pit speeding drive through penalty.

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1 year 8 months ago - 1 year 8 months ago #5087 by Steve Settanta
Steve Settanta replied the topic: General rules and series registration
I think that free pitstops can be a good way to have "deep strategy" in the game.
I would avoid "forced pitstop": when I watch the DTM and see all these cars entering the pits like a storm of bees it makes me sad. :P
Is it possible, like admin, setting the pitstop menu excluding the refuel!?!?
So the advantage of Capris would be untouched.

About the 1 hour race for me it's not a problem but keep in mind that sometimes, and mostly on the technical tracks, we could risk to have 7 or 8 "survived drivers" that (in the last 15/10 minutes) walks around the track to complete the race.
It's not a huge problem obviously, but could be a little boring. That's all.

Keep calm and wait the chequered flag...
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1 year 8 months ago - 1 year 8 months ago #5089 by Murat Ozsarac
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There is one more good point of forcing a pitstop for fuel when slightly more than full tank is required for full distance. We know initial laps are a bit tense hence more open to driver mistakes. And sometimes accidents are inavoidable. Generally speaking, most of the times we see racers giving up and quit when they get involved in a crash when car is damaged. In a format like my suggestion (force pitstop for fuel) they would think there is not too much time to be lost against others for making an early pitstop for repairs and add fuel when others will pit too hence they would carry on.

300 kmph pit limit makes perfect sense to me to avoid penalties.
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1 year 8 months ago #5090 by Aitor Lopez
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I think pit stop required and no pit speed limit is not a good idea. I don't want a race when I could crash on pit lane after 40-50 mins of clean race.

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1 year 8 months ago - 1 year 8 months ago #5091 by Admin
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I don't understand Aitor's point of view with speed limit. Although pitlane speed limit would be set on 300 kph (the same as in GP79) it doesn't mean visiting pits would be dangerous. Pitlane is the same track area as the track itself and driver must adjust the speed to the safe value. Finally, pitstops required or forced by fuel consumption aren't tragedy and they are a part of racing too.

Anyway, with 45 minute races Porsche and BMW probably will make it without the pitstop but we must set comparable circumstances for all cars, despite of being slightly slower by Toyo or Capri. I wouldn't pay attention to Capri or Toyo disadvantages - Tamas proved Toyota can be comparable and quick. Please wait for weight penalty in the second race.

I personally don't matter if the race should be 45 or 60 minutes, with or without pitstop - I will race under every condition.
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1 year 8 months ago #5094 by Murat Ozsarac
Murat Ozsarac replied the topic: General rules and series registration
Just because pit limiter is 300kmph, it does not mean we have to reach to that speed. We need pit-crew alive :)

I'd still prefer 300 but a safer speed like 120~150 would also work. Safer and not too much lost time in pit lane. Plus, we can set gear2 or gear3 to that speed so it can be used as pit limiter.
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