Round 4 - CRYSTAL PALACE

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5 months 2 weeks ago #5728 by Matheus Nolli
Matheus Nolli replied the topic: Round 4 - CRYSTAL PALACE
Hi, guys!

This might backfire on me, "competition-wise", but I'm ok with that.

I'm sending you the setup I'm developing for this race. I'm aware that setups ain't absolute, but this one has an important detail that might make a difference to help some people out there: it's very asymmetric, to suit the track.
If you believe you could use some help on preparing for this race, you're welcome to have a go with this setup and mess with it, both to try to understand what's going on and to suit it to your style. If you don't feel it'd help you, but you wanna take a peek "inside my head", it's all there.

I'm sharing this one in advance because I personally think tracks like these are the ones where setups makes the biggest difference, despite the fact that everybody will race with the same car.

If you're not used to asymmetric cars, my tips are: 1) Don't be afraid of it; 2) Take it slow and be smooth with your imputs, at the beginning.

For this setup, my goal was: using the movements of the body of the car to force load distribution conditions (over the tyres) that can't be achieved in symmetric configurations. The dampers are key to this, as they act in transient situations (i.e.: when the car body is moving in relation to the wheels). Under my driving style (I don't really think I have a "style"), the car is set to be "mid-right-hand-corner" stable (while in long apexes, for example) when under light throttle. It might oversteer under heavier throttle . Under heavy braking, it'll probably point outwards as the car dives, but, while trail braking to the right, it's less of a problem. In corner exits, as the car squats, it shall tend to become more stable and understeer (unless it was already oversteering a lot), what means you can enter corners slightly sideways and let the car correct itself in the exit.

Cheers, all!
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5 months 2 weeks ago - 5 months 2 weeks ago #5729 by Paul Anstey
Paul Anstey replied the topic: Round 4 - CRYSTAL PALACE
I'll be watching the F1 race after this event so I'd appreciate no one mentioning it during our event. I've had F1 race results given to me during online racing events in the past. It's annoying but it's a risk I'm willing to take though.

I don't think we should be rescheduling races because of events like this. If you're an F1 fan like me then you'll either sacrifice racing here to watch it or record it. If we had postponed last weeks event because of Easter and this event because of F1. Then next week there's something else and so on.

Looking forward to the race tomorrow but I have to say I'm struggling to get consistency here. It's so easy to loose momentum in these cars. Once you do you can loose a shed load of time.

Sorry to hear about Ales not being able to race just when he'd claimed his first podium. Ales go out and buy yourself a graphics card now. Racing is everything nothing else matters ;)

See you all tomorrow.

I'll go back to watching the 1988 World Sports Car Championship Round 1 - Jerez (motorsport.tv). I'm just catching up on this event and don't know who won. Please don't spoil it for me ;). At this rate I'll catch up with the F1 2018 Championship in 2048 :)
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5 months 2 weeks ago #5731 by Paul McCaffrey
Paul McCaffrey replied the topic: Round 4 - CRYSTAL PALACE
Count me in please!

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5 months 2 weeks ago #5732 by Matheus Nolli
Matheus Nolli replied the topic: Round 4 - CRYSTAL PALACE
What a race!

Very straightforward, but intense. After qualifying second, I was sure that changing positions in this track would be easy, because of how effectiva drafting was. Turns out I was very wrong.

At the start, after a few corners, I tryed to keep close do Allan without attacking too hard, attempting to use both our engines (drafting only, because I was not aware if bump drafting is allowed and if Allan would be ok with that), to open a gap to Marek, who was coming third. While still not able to follow Allan closely, I was anticipating braking and turn in points, so I ended up diving into the sand trap in the exit of the last corner and lost about 1.5s.

It took about 20 laps, with virtually no performance difference between us, for him to have a corner entry gone wrong enough that I'd be able to come back to the drafting zone.

I was aware that his entry to the corner following the long straight was something I could not imitate, and it had a significant advantage on an eventual passing move, so I needed to find a gap somewhere else, or, at least, draft enough to launch myself ahead of his car.
While driving closely and using some corner exists to get beside Allan, I noticed his shifting/gearing were different, and I suspect he went for the gearing option that's one click higher than mine, overall. I was faster with my choice, but now I was aware that entering any straight ahead of him would mean to be swallowed up right away.

Those last 10 laps felt like forever! Allan was always able to throw his car faster in the corners and, no matter how much faster I'd become in the apexes and exists, this fact alone was enought to not allow me to build confidence to go for a diving move. Agresive! Reminds me of a friend that I used to race with and who I respect very much.

At this point, I believed my only chance was another mistake from him, so I started pushing, trying to force him out of line by inducing defensive moves, but no significant mistakes happended and, when it did, I couldn't position myself well enough to overtake.

We entered lap 33. I needed to try something different, definitive. I aimed to the long straight at lap 35, the only corner entry where I was significantly faster and more stable than Allan. What I wanted to do was to get there with distance enough to not need to lift off behind his car and use the extra speed to challenge him in the next corner entry, the one where I couldn't touch him before. That was my final gamble.

Lap 34. The gap was as planned. I needed to nail the last corner to open lap 35 gaining on him, drafting. Last corner wasn't perfect, but good enough.

Lap 35 sta.... oh, wait. The race ended. :lol:

Not that I'd be able to pass in the last lap, cause I'm sure things would find a way to go way different than what I planned, but it was both disappointing and hilarious that I totally blew my last strategy because I forgot how the lap counter works... again!

Great racing, guys!
See ya next week!

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5 months 2 weeks ago #5734 by Allan Ramsbottom
Allan Ramsbottom replied the topic: Round 4 - CRYSTAL PALACE
Just to echo Matheus words..
What a race...............
You have pretty much summed up the race..I,ve raced these cars before and knowing drafting can/is the key,you are correct that i did go 1 click lower with the gearing,conclusion been that i thought you would get infront by the 3rd corner,so me having slightly more top end speed and there been 2 longish straights i would give you a good battle,things turn out totally different as planned..Been in front,and you very close by i knew you had the shorter gearing ratio,so cornering now was the key.These cars, turned too much and been underpowered scrub speed so trying to keep a nice pace lap after lap was hectic..Matheus was throwing everything at me,dummy moves, side to side action,tight drafting, Jeez,he never let up lol..Agreed the last ten laps were a lifetime away but i kept my nerve focused on what was ahead,i have a bad habit of looking in my rear view mirror a lot,and could,nt wait for the chequered flag.Thanks for a Great Race guys,good turn out again,looking forward to the next race,Big Thumbs Up for Marek,awesome combo.....Cheers...
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5 months 2 weeks ago #5735 by Paul Anstey
Paul Anstey replied the topic: Round 4 - CRYSTAL PALACE
In qualy I thought I was driving a different car. Just couldn't get it to turn in and drift through the corners as I had being doing in practice. So ended up a disappointing 5th. That said even if I'd done equalled my PB I'd only ended up 4th so it wasn't too bad if looked at that way. Well done to the guys ahead of me really fast laps there. Qualy highlighted my inconsistency in lap times here. One lap a low 1:13 the next a low to mid 1:14. My Achilles Heal at this track was the uphill right hander at the end of the back straight. Until the race I hadn't got it right once and therefore I hadn't dipped into the high 1:12's.

The race. Started well then got swamped at the first corner. Little Sprites swarming all around me. Is this the happiest car in the world or what? The grille and the frog eyes just make it look like it's really happy to race. After lap 2 I think I was back in 7th. The guys around not allowing me to use my faster pace out of the corners as I had to keep lifting a bit to avoid contact. Aitor and Stig (keep picturing a bloke in a white suit and white helmet sitting at his sim rig. Some say...... ;) Sorry Stig. ) up ahead of me I had to time the exit from the corners so that I could use my speed down the straight to get alongside and complete the overtake through the corner, which I did through corner T3. Now in 4th. Put my head down and started pumping in some fast laps finally breaking into the sub 1:13's with a fastest lap of 1:12.7 (where the hell did that come from). I was surprised to catch Marek so quickly considering his practice and qualy pace. Down the back straight I had a run on him. He defended coming up to the fast right hander by running in the middle of the track. I was right behind him but thought there was no way to overtake so I went back to the left hand side in preparation for the right hander. I think Marek thought I was trying to go around him. He came across to either stop me or to take the corner and we had a slight touch as my nose was slightly overlapping his car. We then took the corner and Marek slid a bit and I took him on the right. The worst thing is if Marek had stayed out in the middle and took the corner he would have stayed ahead. Sorry Marek but I think this was a racing incident. I'll be interested on your take. I was 5 to 6 seconds of the lead so no chance to close up. Thought as they were running so close they'd slow each other down but they kept up a good pace. Third place is good and keeps my championship hopes going.

Well done Alan for your first victory :)
Well done Matheus for keeping the pressure on Alan all race :)

Thanks Marek for a great car / track combo.

On to the Mini's and Jaaaag. This should be another great event. See you all there :)
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5 months 2 weeks ago #5736 by Marek Archipow [Fireball]
Marek Archipow [Fireball] replied the topic: Round 4 - CRYSTAL PALACE

Paul Anstey wrote: Sorry Marek but I think this was a racing incident. I'll be interested on your take.


I felt punted, raped and sexually abused. :laugh:

You were faster, so... who cares. B) Overtaking was a matter of time. Now I must find the reason of my laziness.

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5 months 2 weeks ago #5737 by Matheus Nolli
Matheus Nolli replied the topic: Round 4 - CRYSTAL PALACE

Paul Anstey wrote: Is this the happiest car in the world or what? The grille and the frog eyes just make it look like it's really happy to race.


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5 months 2 weeks ago - 5 months 2 weeks ago #5738 by Antonio Tavares
Antonio Tavares replied the topic: Round 4 - CRYSTAL PALACE
Yes, all the ingredients were there for a great race. Bad start but great fight with Jorge Herrera during the first laps, and we were gaining time over a tight group of 4 cars ahead. Being competitive felt good, but I couldn't enjoy the feeling for long. I had stomach pain and was feeling a little nauseous so by 11th or so lap I had to pit the car and go look for a pill. It was fun while it lasted!

p.s. - count me in with a Jag next race!

“Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting.”

(Steve McQueen)
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