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6 years 4 months ago #2846 by Admin
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6 years 4 months ago - 6 years 4 months ago #2847 by Admin
Admin replied the topic: Re: Penalties / Kary
S3R2 - SILVERSTONE 79

According to admin's statement about cutting the last chicane Top5 drivers were investigated. Here are the results:

Risto Kappet - 3 cuts (including 2 slightly)
Othmane Belmachi - 0 cuts
Marek Archipow - 10 cuts (5 slightly)
Gregoire Goissen - 20 cuts (5 slightly)
Dominik Satel - 1 cut

Result: Penalty Board took 1 cut as added 1 s. to the total race time. 3 cuts were allowed and caused no time penalty. Slightly cuts weren't taken into consideration. The final results of time addition:

Gregoire Goissen - +12 s. to the total race time
penalty: moved -1 position in the race results

Marek Archipow - +2 s. to the total race time
penalty: warning

In addition, Robert Jablonski was disqualified.
reason: 1. dangerous and unstable driving, 2. reverse direction driving
penalty: DQ in the race results (ad.2), start from the pitlane in the next race (ad.1)

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We hope the penalties were given with respect for fair competition and safety on track. We hope all penalized drivers understand the Penalty Board point of view. Good luck in the next race.
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6 years 4 months ago #2852 by FOLLY
FOLLY replied the topic: Re: Penalties / Kary
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6 years 4 months ago #2855 by Niko Leinonen
Niko Leinonen replied the topic: Re: Penalties / Kary
One notice... I am very confused about this Silverstone cutting rule.

Before the race in the Silverstone race topic Admin said that 2 seconds will be added with EACH cut. Admin said like this:

Important note: Cutting the last chicane in any way is strictly forbidden and causes 2 s. added to the total race time for each single cut. It will be investigated after the race.

And what happened?

Goissen cutted 15 times (without the slight cuts). Penalty is still only 12 seconds and it should be 15x2 seconds = 30 seconds.
Marek Archipow, 5 cuts, penalty only 2 seconds and it should be 10 seconds.
Kappet and Satel had one cut and the penalty should be 2 secs.

Ok, 3 cuts allowed. Admin didn't mention this before the race. Admin said it is EACH cut. Why is that? Still it is wrong:

Goissen 15-3 cuts = 12 cuts .. So should be 12*2 seconds = 24seconds penalty.
Archipow 5-3 cuts = 2 cuts .. So should be 2*2 = 4 secs penalty..

I guess you added only one second / cut? Why? ... If its only 1 sec penalty, it is almost better to drive the chicane with full speed through :)

I am only confused about these statements so I ask, didnt mean to get anyone pissed off :) ..

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6 years 4 months ago #2856 by Admin
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Yes, Niko, you're right. Let me explain.

I wrote before the race it will be 2 s. for EACH cutting. Ok, my fault it should be written "up to 2 s.". I saw it but I didn't change it just before the race and I left it to cause more attention of drivers. If I would change it to 1 s. the chicane could be cut and more than 1 s. could be saved. After the race some "cutters" would say: "What's up, doc? I cut and I got more than 1 s. penalty?"

Next time I will be more careful and I will wrote "up to 2 s.". Silverstone was a hard track for proper judgement, because that chicane could be cut in millions of ways. I decided to give only 1 s. penalty because all cuts was about that time. Nobody cut too wide. And, finally, giving 2 s. penalty would caused the same race order so I didn't want to be too "overjudged" for the drivers (especially for Greg).

From one point of view according to clear and fair rules the right is at your side, Niko. But in real F1 sometimes the decisions about penalties aren't logical and have to be accepted. They even change technical rules in the middle of the season.

I'll try the situation like that will never occur in the future.

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6 years 4 months ago #2857 by Niko Leinonen
Niko Leinonen replied the topic: Re: Penalties / Kary
Yes, I think F1 judges have many times in the history done unbelieveable judgements in the history, but it doesn't mean sim leagues should do the same and do weird judgements :D .. Judgements should be done according to rules, how it is written. If no cuts were allowed like it was stated Silverstone topic, Belmachi would have won the race, cause Kappet had one cut and Belmachi was closer than 2secs! :O Other statistics would have been the same I think..

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6 years 4 months ago #2859 by Admin
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That's clou of my decision. I know with respecting the penalty foe each cutting Risto should be 2nd. But I waited to Othmane's protest which didn't happen. For me he accepted the results and his 2nd place. I did it because two drivers fought side by side all the race and cuttings of Risto were accidental and very light (3 in the race). The last cut was critical to judge, because he cut slightly in overtake move and... if he would brake a few meters earlier he would close Othmane the door and win clearly. With this little too wide entry he gave Othmane the chance to better acceleration, however it sounds ridiculous. Othmane should have won the race but he did a mistake in the almost last turn exit. Risto was close enough, it was fight, it was brave move of Risto. If I would add Risto 1 or 2 s. more and give Othmane win - it could be worse to the final result. Trust me, I thought about it many times.
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6 years 4 months ago #2860 by Aitor Lopez
Aitor Lopez replied the topic: Re: Penalties / Kary
Yes I feel like Niko, I was sure that each cut will cost 2 segs aditional penalty.

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6 years 4 months ago - 6 years 4 months ago #2861 by Admin
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In addition:
I stated about 3 allowed cuts and 1 s. penalty before I watched the replay. If it would be one more cut from Risto, I would move him behind Othmane.

I have nothing to hide here, that's why I didn't block this thread. I thought to speak with Risto and Othmane before my decission but I quit. As you wrote it's simracing and not the real life, they can write theit opinions about the judgement and if they agree I can change the final results.

But please, I don't want to have "Hyde Park" here. If they want to say something, say it with respect for each other. Your opinion is very valuable for me. Maybe it's important to discuss it here, with Othmane and Risto. If they want to write something about my decision, let's write.

We can treat this discussion as "Driver's Meeting". I want to know your opinions about the Penalty Board statement. I think it will help our league.
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