F1 1975 HE Sunday miniraces

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2 months 1 week ago #5819 by Admin
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Let's make minirace tests this Sunday (13.05). All interested rF2 users please come at 19:00 CEST and take part in rF2-tests at Thruxton. We will run couple of 5-lap miniraces.

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2 months 1 week ago #5820 by Aitor Lopez
Aitor Lopez replied the topic: F1 1975 HE Sunday miniraces
I'll be there

P1: 2017 1st DRM Trophy. Ford
P1: 2015 R2P S37 Steel Wheels by Simracers 1979 Formula 1. Ligier-Ford Cosworth
P2: 2014 R2P S33 True Power by Simracers Grand Prix 1979. Tyrrell-Ford Cosworth
P2: 2012 GP1979 Season 3. Tyrrell-Ford Cosworth / Arrows-Ford Cosworth
P3: 2018 3rd Historic GT Season.

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2 months 1 week ago #5821 by Dominik Satel [79]
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warning....some guy waving a green flag at the start .

green lights do not light up :P

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2 months 1 week ago #5822 by Admin
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Please write your impressions after these ridiculous races. For me physics is "underdone".

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2 months 1 week ago - 2 months 1 week ago #5824 by Antonio Tavares
Antonio Tavares replied the topic: F1 1975 HE Sunday miniraces
Just a possible alert:

I'm still testing the best settings on graphics and FFB. At the moment I still don't have any definitive conclusions or preferences, but I've collected and read a lot of articles in foruns and websites, and 2 things are clear from the beggining:

1 - finding the best compromise between a satisfatory FPS rate and image quality is dificult. What works in my pc might not work on yours and vice-versa. If you have a high end moden gaming pc that is no problem, a few ajustments here and there and you are good to go with clear and sharp visuals and FPS rates above 100.
But for pc's that barely comply witth the recommended specs, it's a different ball game. You ave a lot of testing and analysis to do. It is necessary to take note of the settings and the results each time, try a lot of different aproaches, in a word - spend many hours on tests. Here I speak with certanty because my pc places me on this group (low-end hardware requirements and specs users). I'm still testing weather to use supersampling without anisotropic filtering or vice versa, etc etc. With some setings I have around 60 average FPS on Toban, but with others just some unusable 35 average FPS, with hard to notice image quality differences. So, for those on my situation, the way is to test, test, test and more tests.

2 - As to phisics, I think they are closely related to the FFB settings. And the good ones (FFB settings for each wheel) are very precise and make all the difference. I remember to notice the expression "a world of difference" after finding the exact FFB settins for a track/car/wheel combo. personally, I've made good progresses in this area, and I consider the phisics excelent. My wheel is not bad (Fanatec CSR Elite and CSP Pedals v1) but, like RealFeel on rF1, you must find the right settings for each car.

rFactor 1 phisics are fairly decent in my opinion, but not state of the art as its a sim with at least a decade. Still, quite satisfatory and usable for those like me that like as close to real as possible. RealFeel, if well configured, makes a world of differencein rF1. Default Sim phisics are "modest", to say the least, but once RealFeel is introduced and well tunned, it's a different league. I suppose something similar happens in rF2, but this time not with RealFeel - what happens is that you have to tune very precisely the FFB for each car/track/wheel combo as i had mentioned.

“Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting.”

(Steve McQueen)
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2 months 1 week ago - 2 months 1 week ago #5825 by Paul Anstey
Paul Anstey replied the topic: F1 1975 HE Sunday miniraces
I found driving these F1 cars fantastic fun. Just seeing the cars around me was a joy. These cars came from a time when F1 cars were true to the formula. The men who drove these cars for real must have had moustaches of steel.

Trhuxton is a fantastic track. I've done a few track days there and it's as scary as it looks. In my TVR Griffith 500 I was nudging 140mph down the back of the circuit up to the chicane. Great in real life and great in the virtual world.

Physics : Felt OK to me. They drove as I expected they would.
FFB : Fantastic.

The few races we did was great fun. Trying to keep up with Aitor was a real task.

The default setups were not good as usual but with just a few tweaks the car drove very well.

The problem as always with the HE is the difference in performance of each cars. This leads to drivers gravitating to the best cars and we end up with a grid populated by Mclarens or Ferrari's. The problem with the LE version is that sometimes the changes made have messed with the physics of the cars, for example DRM LE version. The cars in this mod were dumbed down too much and became very bland to drive. I am yet to drive the LE version of this mod.

rF2 does present another problem that Antonio has touched on above. Some of our main stay drivers may not be able to run rF2 well enough to race. Going over to rF2 therefore may turn some away some and we will end up with smaller grids. This would be a shame as we have a great band of good clean racers. Should this hold us back from using the newer sims? Only a test season will show us how many drivers we get.

In conclusion I think this mod will make a great season for us. Haven't driven the LE version yet so look forward to seeing how they've done the balance of performance and whether they've changed the physics at all. I think we should do a test season with this mod the question now is HE or LE version.

There are of course other historic mods for rF2 :-

Howtons G4 & G6
Lola T70 (I've already raced in a championship with these cars. Excellent fun)
Historic F1 '67
Historic Eve F2
Historic Eve F1
Porsche 917K
AC Cobra
Lots more F1 series
....
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2 months 1 week ago #5826 by Admin
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We will test the openwheelers in near future. I think we will run Club Events. I am going to touch some GT/Touring cars as well.

I'm not impressed with F1 1975 due to huge "air vaccum void" behind the car what causes (un)real problems to keep behind the car ahead even in slower corners. In addition, I didn't notice any real draft behind the car.

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2 months 1 week ago #5827 by Antonio Tavares
Antonio Tavares replied the topic: F1 1975 HE Sunday miniraces

Paul Anstey wrote: ...rF2 does present another problem that Antonio has touched on above. Some of our main stay drivers may not be able to run rF2 well enough to race. Going over to rF2 therefore may turn some away some and we will end up with smaller grids. This would be a shame as we have a great band of good clean racers. Should this hold us back from using the newer sims? Only a test season will show us how many drivers we get.....


I agree with Paul, we shouldn't take the risk of loosing drivers because of a sudden change to rF2. Not all of our drivers are regular presences here in the foruns; some just take a quick look to check the race schedules. And if they don't have rF2, or if their PC isn't capable of running it with a decent perfomance, some may just leave or ceasse showing up without notice. And we do have a good grid, one of the best I've seen so far in many years of simracing. Therefore, we should, in my opinion, keep rF1 present "full time". I mean a trophy with scheduled races to keep alive the interest of those who won't join rF2 for whatever reason.

How many sim's can the server host in paralel? If 2, then no problem; but if it can host only one sim at a time, I'd suggest to share the available time between rF 1 and 2.

“Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting.”

(Steve McQueen)

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2 months 4 days ago #5829 by Admin
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Antonio, it's not a sudden change. It's an answer for some drivers asks about rF2. rF1 stays on permanently with Historic GT. I'm preparing 5th season but lately I had two serious PC crashes with hard disk damage risk. Fortunately it's solved now I hope.

Near future is bright, however I go to holidays end of June. Holiday time is another matter. I will ask for it. Until July we will test rF2 mods to choose proper mod for us finally.
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